From ee96a2d0c70fedfa3191206345ee1fe6cb478ff1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Miller Date: Jan 06 2022 16:45:28 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 1/5] Significant rewrite focusing on Discourse Also: * reformatted as SemBr * fixed some kind of embarrassing typos I can't believe we had for so long --- diff --git a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc index f3ca48c..6423968 100644 --- a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc +++ b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc @@ -1,22 +1,60 @@ = Contacting the Fedora Council -The Fedora Council uses two mailing lists. +== Discussions -https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/project/council-discuss/60[*Council Discussion*] is a public category on Fedora Discussion. -This is the main discussion point for the Fedora Council, -and the goal of the is to either reach a decision, -or to delegate the thread to a more appropriate location. +The +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/council[*#council tag*] +on +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/[Fedora Discussion] +is the primary space +for Fedora Council conversations. +We use this for discussion within the Council as a team, +and it is also the best place +for any community member +to engage in or start +a conversation with us. -https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-private@lists.fedoraproject.org/[*council-private*] is a private list. Its membership is restricted to the current Council members, +We also have a private mailing list: +https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-private@lists.fedoraproject.org/[*council-private*]. +Its membership is restricted +to the current Council members, and it is not archived. -This list is only used for topics that cannot be discussed on the public forum. +This list is only used +for topics that cannot be discussed +on the public forum. +We use it as little as possible. -Council members are also often present on the https://matrix.to/#/#council:fedoraproject.org[*#council*] channel on chat.fedoraproject.org -(briged to the *#fedora-council* IRC channel on https://libera.chat/[Libera.Chat]). +== Real-Time Conversation -If you have an issue to be worked on by the Council you can also open a -ticket on the https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets[Council Pagure -instance]. This is a public issue tracker. However, if you have a -particularly privacy- or security-sensitive issue, you can check the -*Private* box when you create the ticket. If an issue is not sensitive -the discussion should be in the open, in the public Pagure instance or Discussion. +Council members are also often present on the +https://matrix.to/#/#council:fedoraproject.org?web-instance%5Belement.io%5D=chat.fedoraproject.org[*#council*] +room on +https://chat.fedoraproject.org[Fedora Chat]. +(This room is bridged to the +*#fedora-council* IRC channel on +https://libera.chat/[Libera.Chat]). + + +== Issues + +If you have an issue to be worked on +by the Council +you can also open a ticket on the +https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets[*Council Pagure +instance*]. + +This is a public issue tracker. +However, if you have a +particularly privacy- or security-sensitive issue, +you can check the +*Private* box when you create the ticket. +If an issue is not sensitive +the discussion should be in the open. + +Note that ticket comments should be +kept to a minimum — +discussion should be at +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/council[#council] +and the ticket used to +record procedural actions +like votes and approved resolutions. From 7f49010b3b95ab5f32f431bc827387d2a10790e3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Miller Date: Jan 06 2022 16:45:28 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 2/5] update contact information to use matrix, discourse, and not-the-wiki --- diff --git a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/fpl.adoc b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/fpl.adoc index bba22c7..ea8232f 100644 --- a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/fpl.adoc +++ b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/fpl.adoc @@ -6,18 +6,23 @@ However the project leader is not a dictator, benevolent or otherwise. The FPL chairs the Fedora xref:index.adoc[Council]. image::mattdm-2014-fedora10y-thumb.jpg[float="right",50%,link="https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e8/Mattdm-2014-fedora10y-small.jpg"] -https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:mattdm[Matthew Miller] is the current Fedora Project Leader. +https://mattdm.org/[Matthew Miller] +is the current Fedora Project Leader. He led the Fedora.next initiative for a strategic approach to Fedora's second decade, as well as the transition from the Fedora Board to the current Council governance model. Matthew created the BU Linux distribution for Boston University in 1999 and maintained that through 2008, when he moved to the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences to work on high performance computing and this up-and-coming “cloud” thing. He has been at Red Hat since 2012, first working on Fedora Cloud and becoming FPL in June, 2014. -Contact Matthew as `mattdm` on Libera.Chat IRC, -as https://twitter.com/mattdm[@mattdm] on Twitter, or -on the -https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/[Council-Discuss] -mailing list. +Contact Matthew as +https://matrix.to/#/@mattdm:fedora.im[@mattdm:fedora.im] +on Matrix, +as +https://twitter.com/mattdm[@mattdm] +on Twitter, or (surprise!) as +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/u/mattdm/[mattdm] +on +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/[Fedora Discussion]. == Previous Fedora Project Leaders From de88e2d69d299476049962ee4658275996caec4f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Miller Date: Jan 06 2022 16:45:28 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 3/5] update to matrix and discourse --- diff --git a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc index f981a2c..14366e4 100644 --- a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc +++ b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc @@ -221,7 +221,7 @@ Meetings ~~~~~~~~ The Fedora Council is not driven by meetings or by tickets, but does -hold https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings[regular public IRC meetings] to +hold https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings[regular public meetings] to discuss current issues, to clear through anything outstanding which can be quickly resolved, and to ensure that nothing important is left in limbo. All members are be expected to regularly communicate what's going @@ -236,10 +236,10 @@ Transparency ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The general policy of the Fedora Council is to default to open. Meetings -are held in public IRC channels, and open to all Fedora users and +are held in public Matrix channels, and are open to all Fedora users and contributors. Discussion is held in on a -https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/council-discuss[public -mailing list] open to all subscribers, and formal decisions will be +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/council[public +forum] open to all, and formal decisions will be recorded in a public ticket tracking system. Occasionally, when personal, private, or sensitive issues need to be @@ -321,6 +321,8 @@ meaning) can be found in the https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/commits/main[git repository] for Council documents. +2022-01-02: Update communications platforms to Matrix and Discourse + 2017-11-15: Update Diversity Advisor to Diversity & Inclusion Team Representative 2017-10-20: Move current membership list and contact info to separate docs. From de9fa3359f5ad6cae5daa5a0ae835fcc02d609ee Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Miller Date: Jan 10 2022 22:44:07 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 4/5] This is just a change of implementation, not governing policy --- diff --git a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc index 14366e4..b598ad9 100644 --- a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc +++ b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc @@ -321,8 +321,6 @@ meaning) can be found in the https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/commits/main[git repository] for Council documents. -2022-01-02: Update communications platforms to Matrix and Discourse - 2017-11-15: Update Diversity Advisor to Diversity & Inclusion Team Representative 2017-10-20: Move current membership list and contact info to separate docs. From fdd2888af5d5dca68f1cb0fc1d4da5d760bbfb26 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Miller Date: Jan 10 2022 22:44:54 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 5/5] new wording encouraging discussion over filing tickets --- diff --git a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc index 6423968..7204389 100644 --- a/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc +++ b/council/modules/ROOT/pages/contact.adoc @@ -37,11 +37,13 @@ https://libera.chat/[Libera.Chat]). == Issues -If you have an issue to be worked on -by the Council -you can also open a ticket on the -https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets[*Council Pagure -instance*]. +It's usually best to start with a conversation on +https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/council[Fedora Discussion]. + +Once you have a specific proposal +for the Council +you can open a ticket on the +https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets[*Council Pagure instance*]. This is a public issue tracker. However, if you have a