Ping..!?!

what you think, the template ¨Print/Swag¨ design with

'''Size requirements, can be standard paper size or width and height'''

and

• Print area size (printer can provide this)

is created for?

I assume it is the same vendor as last time so, the size is 312mmx146mm + the bleed which the vendor needs, so please provide not just pinging

Hey,

Replying to [comment:2 gnokii]:

I assume it is the same vendor as last time so, the size is
312mmx146mm + the bleed which the vendor needs, so please provide not just pinging

I can not know these details. The DVD cover/sleeve size specification should be quite
standard. You've seen the sleeve covers we made last time, we just need similar ones for F24.

if you would have used the template, there is written ¨the vendor provides you¨

Replying to [comment:4 gnokii]:

if you would have used the template, there is written ¨the vendor provides you¨

FWIW, the Print/Swag design template makes sense for specific events or print jobs, for which fedora-design team does not have details. Fedora DVD sleeve/label designs are not like that. They have standard size specifications and one design across geos per release. This is not the first time that we are doing sleeve/label designs/print jobs. F23 design samples are also linked here

-> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/216

from what I witnessed the templates we have created here in trac make perfectly sense.

What is so hard to go to the vendor and ask him for all the measurements? Who shall guess from your pictures?

When it comes to DVD sleeves, there is nothing standardized, I can show you very easy several 100 different sleeves not to mention that each vendor has then different needs in bleed. Thats what I witnessed. You are the best example by yourself, you differ from EMEA and NA

Replying to [comment:6 gnokii]:

from what I witnessed the templates we have created here in trac make perfectly sense.

If -design team had to create designs on request for ex. Fedora seasons card. For which specification is unknown.

What is so hard to go to the vendor and ask him for all the measurements?

Vendor just prints the given design for us. He says you give me the design and I'll print it accordingly.

Who shall guess from your pictures?

No need to guess from pictures. How were these designs made for F23 OR previous Fedora releases?
Doesn't -design maintain a repository of reusable specifications for such jobs? Size and other specifications for DVD sleeve/label, Fedora standees, banners could be maintained in a repository and reused from time to time.

When it comes to DVD sleeves, there is nothing standardized, I can show you very easy several 100 different sleeves not to mention that each vendor has then different needs in bleed. Thats what I witnessed. You are the best example by yourself, you differ from EMEA and NA

I spoke to the vendor and there is no such specific bleed requirement from him. It'll help if you reuse the F23 size and bleed specifications.

Replying to [comment:7 pjp]:

Replying to [comment:6 gnokii]:

from what I witnessed the templates we have created here in trac make perfectly sense.

If -design team had to create designs on request for ex. Fedora seasons card. For which specification is unknown.

What is so hard to go to the vendor and ask him for all the measurements?

Vendor just prints the given design for us. He says you give me the design and I'll print it accordingly.

Accordingly? How through scaling up when its to small, common I explained very well what is needed for the design team at the FAD.

just have a look to this: http://www.discmakers.com/templates/Jackets.asp
and this are just the jacket templates for this vendor, which was the first one in google searching for DVD sleeve, why he provides templates with bleed, trimline and safety area.

Who shall guess from your pictures?

No need to guess from pictures. How were these designs made for F23 OR previous Fedora releases?

your vendor did edit the file remember! Because you was not enabled to communicate your needs as well, I explained to you at the FAD what we need!

Doesn't -design maintain a repository of reusable specifications for such jobs? Size and other specifications for DVD sleeve/label, Fedora standees, banners could be maintained in a repository and reused from time to time.

no design team does not do this, because they have the knowledge that there is no standard like you saying, standees vary with each vendor and the possibility of sleeves is endless just take a look to the vendor above.

When it comes to DVD sleeves, there is nothing standardized, I can show you very easy several 100 different sleeves not to mention that each vendor has then different needs in bleed. Thats what I witnessed. You are the best example by yourself, you differ from EMEA and NA

I spoke to the vendor and there is no such specific bleed requirement from him. It'll help if you reuse the F23 size and bleed specifications.

there is nothing reusable, see above and btw when a vendor says there is no bleed requirement you should choose another one, because that one has no idea about his job. Its the same as the common, that vendors ask for AI files. I living now in Asia and I see that they do and I have a lot of fun with them, when I ask them what a AI file is, on the end a container which contains PDF ;) So the problem is they dont know what they are doing very well.
I have written above we dont want that they edit our files and that for a good reason, I can show you 500 flyer messed up by a printer with editing. The fun with this one even is he made me sign the proof and this one looked very different to what came out. A printer who takes his job serious knows that when he asks for a printing ready file, he minimizes the source of failures - thats why they even provide templates for there sleeves see above.

Replying to [comment:8 gnokii]:

just have a look to this: http://www.discmakers.com/templates/Jackets.asp
and this are just the jacket templates for this vendor,

These templates are of how the paper folds to make a DVD sleeve/envelop. There could be variations to that. Still the DVD dimensions and sleeve/label dimensions remain constant. The sleeve type we used for F23 is given in the sample link above.

your vendor did edit the file remember! Because you was not enabled to
communicate your needs as well, I explained to you at the FAD what we need!

No, that was to fit the design on a given sleeve type.

no design team does not do this, because they have the knowledge that
there is no standard like you saying, standees vary with each vendor and
the possibility of sleeves is endless just take a look to the vendor above.

Of course the DVD size dimensions are constant. What varies is the way paper folds to make a
an envelop/sleeve.

Preview for Fedora 24 Workstation Live DVD
Fedora-24-livemedia-workstation-preview.png

Preview for Fedora 24 Workstation Live DVD - more small edition
Fedora-24-livemedia-workstation-preview.jpg

Preview for Fedora 24 Workstation Live DVD.

[[Image(Fedora-24-livemedia-workstation-preview.jpg)]]

Somewhat later I will prepare our standard wiki page with the sleeve and label.

PS: This design for standard Fedora sleeve (EMEA and North America printed company).

Replying to [comment:10 inkscaper]:

Preview for Fedora 24 Workstation Live DVD.

Great! Thank you so much Inkscaper.

Somewhat later I will prepare our standard wiki page with the sleeve and label.

Yes, that'll be helpful.

Thank you.

Here is the wiki link:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F24

Replying to [comment:12 duffy]:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F24

Great! Thank you so much.

Could you please add the size dimensions, bleed etc. required parameter details as well?
It'll greatly help next time.

Thank you.

Replying to [comment:13 pjp]:

Replying to [comment:12 duffy]:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F24

Great! Thank you so much.

Could you please add the size dimensions, bleed etc. required parameter details as well?
It'll greatly help next time.

We cant add details which have to come from you! You even dont realize that this ones dont fit your needs.

Thank you.

I think these are done? Can we close this ticket?

pjp - re the size dimensions / bleed / etc - these are provided by the vendor, not the design team.

Replying to [comment:15 duffy]:

I think these are done? Can we close this ticket?

Yes, this can be closed. Thank you so much for providing the files.

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pjp - re the size dimensions / bleed / etc - these are provided by the vendor, not the design team.

Yes, we discussed this during FAD[1] last weekend. While I understand how these values could vary from one sleeve design to another and from one printer to another, and why these need to come from the vendor. I think design team could share the parameters and sleeve design for which the above designs were made, for reference.

The thing is, I'm no designer. I don't understand design and print process details like you, to have a conversation with the vendor or his designer. When I asked them about these parameters, they say you give us the files and we'll print it as you want. If there is any change, I can not say technically why that change is. For ex. recent F24 sleeve designs came out a little darker than they look on the screen. When I asked them about it, they says it generally looks like that on the screen. But then couple of days back I came across CMYK on the ambassador's list.

• -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/About_CMYK

Maybe the darkness could be because of the CMYK & RGB difference, I don't know for sure. Then I opened the above F24 Sleeve and label designs in gimp(1) and it shows it as RGB colour, not CMYK. But when I run the given identify(1) command, it shows CMYK. Now when the same files are opened on Ms Windows' design tools, I've no way to know if all requisite parameters are right or not. And this is not the problem faced by just me, I bet it's faced by many-many ambassadors/contributors across regions who try to produce Fedora branded swag/media locally.

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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_KualaLumpur_2016